1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 10

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Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 10

by Rick_AMG_Freak » Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:10 pm

Indeed, very interesting how the history goes on..

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 10

by 48hp » Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:02 am

Re-reading this thread...the WB sales have skyrocketed since. "Guesstimated" sales pricing was well under $100k at the time.

Based on recent WB sales, is this the $1M Widebody?!

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by simon » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:08 am

How disappointing. Really wanted to see that come up.

The Audi Sport quattro i was watching at RM just went over $400k :o

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by sbeaven » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:00 pm

Yes, it was pulled from the docket.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by 48hp » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:15 pm

The car was a no-show and did not make the auction block.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by simon » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:06 pm

Did anybody see what it went for?

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by 48hp » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:45 pm

bill.combs@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm lucky enough to have a completely original, unaltered and unwrecked, 47,000 mile, 1984 SEC AMG 6.0 DOHC 32 valve bought new by a dear friend who had it upgraded in Westmont by Hartmut Feyhl
Sounds fantastic. Please post more details and photos of your SEC here: http://www.mercedes-amg-classic.com/for ... m.php?f=60

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by chadahar » Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:47 pm

^^^^ NICE!!!
The Barrett-Jackson schedule has it up Thursday 01/15/2015. I hope to be watching the live stream.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by bill.combs@yahoo.com » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:48 pm

Would someone be kind enough to pass along the auction result.

I'm lucky enough to have a completely original, unaltered and unwrecked, 47,000 mile, 1984 SEC AMG 6.0 DOHC 32 valve bought new by a dear friend who had it upgraded in Westmont by Hartmut Feyhl

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by chadahar » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:38 pm

BJ streams it live from their website.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by kodiak » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:13 am

Looks like it will go up live sometime around mid day on Thursday. Lot 712.

Velocity does not start coverage until 4 pm but I do not know if it their coverage is live or taped.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by KoenigSpec » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:29 am

Any news on this poppy? I hope it went for a big money

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by Trooper6 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:55 pm

Trooper6 wrote:Anyone know how the auction went?
My bad, its next week.

Mike

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by Trooper6 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:50 pm

Anyone know how the auction went?

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by Peter72 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:39 pm

Very few difference between the 5.4 being offered at the auction and the one in the Auto Motor und Sport article. Fog lights, door panels and some equipment on the central console ... At least from I could spot. I also have a copy of the magazine, a pleasure to read it again !

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by bondavi » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:30 pm

Taking into account the recent 32V widebody sales:

Kyle sold his last 32V for 70-80k - that was a black 6.0 automatic.

The silver 1990 SOHC wide body posted last fall - 40k? - anyone know? 6.0 SOHC, but with fishy paperwork, unproven to be a 6.0

Kirk Salvatore's widebody sold ~$38-40k - 1987 6.0 automatic, semi modified

This one - 1985 5.0/5.4 you have the rarity of the manual, but with the early 32V. Between $35-50k

Had this car been like that silver Gen2 wide body, but w/ 6L 32V manual, that'd be something above what Kyle got for his black wide body.

So basically values are all over....we'll find out in 5 days!

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by 48hp » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:52 pm

PART 2:
One can use it: because the AMG Mercedes is one of the fastest in the country. Notmuch cars reach the 259 km/h. And if one endeavored now the words from the mothball box of the autojournalism, then it were high time to point out that the broad black Monster really none „Opponents" knows - it is, one would turn out coincidentally in the training of Le Mans. But he would deliver no bad figure even there on the famous Hunaudiéres straight line. Which such speeds on the mostly well filled german motorways have to look for, already is another question. Nevertheless however AMG Mercedes is also given on the runway by engine characteristic a kind of nature, which makes also a driving with normal speeds not only possible under obligation. The renouncement on the turbochargers was probably also in this sense a correct decision, because here one got a completely smooth the performance curve straight running V8, on low rpm not overwhelming, in the center strongly and shortly before reaching the rpm limit of 6.000 it runs like hell. 340 horse power (250 KW) is proven at 5750 rpm, a the right quantity for the 1756 kilograms, which the test car brought on the balance. Even the maximum torque is not bad: 457 Newtonmeters with 4500 rpm. All of this was adapted to a five-gearbox and it went very properly. Well, the acceleration time of 0 to 100 km/h, in the heads of the Tuningbranche often as exclusive synonym for driving joy rated. is not so impressive with a value of scarcely under seven seconds at all . But, then one must also say here, what do 100km/h mean for a car of this performance class? One is finally still in the second gear of the easy and accurately adjustable Getrag transmission, which is well gradated and opens speed ranges, which are good for GTG talks reserved for regulars discussions at least. Third to 184. Fourth to 225. And before we forget it: The speedo,signed of prince Nawaf are Saud are Abdul Azis, AMG representative in Saudi Arabia, goes to 300. Quite impressively are also the noises composed by this car. First of all is to be praised. that the nevertheless substantially changed body also at high speeds hardly causes wind noises and for this reason leaves a wide acoustic field to the engine. It is, completely contrary to the oem engine in a 500 SEC, a real V8 sound, which blows from the double tube, mechanically amazingly quietly, which even the ear of the cylinder head creator pleasantly surprises. During high rpm and full power its then a rather angry, still a little irregularly sounding Stakkato, leaving no doubts about the fact that this car needs much more place, than it has available normally.

But - as said, it also works the other way. Starting from 800 revolutions the V8 in the lower courses, working with a somewhat jerky idle, it can be accelerated in lower rpm without probs and who is tired of changing gears, really only must do the necessary. Also on the motorway the AMG can if necessary be driven almost in high gears.

That one may set here on a very good straight line discharge at high speeds. it is surely reassuring just as the fact that the chassis modifications did not change the good basic comfort of this Mercedes model drastically. The slow travelling comfort is a little rough, depending upon tire make, rumbling on transverse joints and small unevenness - altogether however can be counted, in the association on the small wind noises, on a satisfying travelling comfort. In curves the high achievement can be brought amazingly well on the ground, whereby AMG Mercedes a altogether good-natured behavior puts to the day. On wet roads caution is announced - who wonders with this tire-format and the mentioned bear forces. Also the brakes. a topic with fast cars nevertheless again and again, although completely standard, with foresighted driving fashion act unimpressed of strong demand.


One can say that about the prospective customers, who hear the price for this car, only in exceptional cases. Who can be lured from the with buffalo leather garnished Luzifer must have nearly 225,000 Marks loose in his pockets - the four valve engine alone costs already 35000 Marks. But even if that seems so expensive in this country - in other parts of this world its just peanuts. This is particularly valid for Saudi Arabia. one the most important export market of the Affalterbach tuning troop. Here a AMG Mercedes is nothing else as a easily earned massage of the soul for bored desert sons. The Koran does not have anything against it.
As found here:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s- ... ost4411134

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by 48hp » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:49 pm

Auto Motor und Sport magazine 25 July 1984 features a VERY similar example and this was our inspiration for our wide body build.

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The article within the publication as translated by member Roland500SEL:

PART 1:
Luzifer lures

The call came from Chicago. " Erhard, you can make that for me? " the voice of AMG boss Hans Werner Upright asked by deep sea wire in the 6,000 kilometers far removed 2,942 soul village Burgstetten, where Erhard Melcher, once the official M in the company name, in the meantime only mental vendor in moving parts, picked up the phone. Yes, he could. A four valve engine had always fascinated him. And why actually not for Mercedes?

The idea, which Aufrecht, residing on the Daimlerstraße 1 of the wuerttembergs Affalterbach, had on the Chicago autosalon, got a relatively fast shape under Melchers mental wings. Roundabout one and a half years after the by telephone brought demand the first Mercedes V8 with four-valve cylinder head ran on the AMG engine test stand - the end of a set of obligations, which reached from the installation dimensions to pipe problems with the foundry. Melcher is proud on the fact that he could realise the same valve angle as with the Porsche formula 1 engine (two times 15 degrees), he paid attention to that the achievement of the four-cam shaft engine in the lower speed range was held, and he rejected the once into the discussion brought turbo. His detailed four-valve studies, which lay still before the first sketches, concerned the BMW formula 2-Vierzylinder and a quite successful motorcycle engine, i.e. the four valve engine of the 500 XL.

Hydraulic tappets are, Aufrecht explained, planned for the future. Approximately 200 to 250 engines are going to be developed per year - the predominant majority for coupe and sedan, but conceivably are also different intended purposes: for the offshore boat building and in the sport for the group C. A further transplant of the new light alloy machine into other Mercedes models is not meant. Possible is everything said the Boss about 95 tuning workers, which causes the annual turnover of 40 million Marks, but he wants to leave it as it is.

The test car, in the official AMG documents still defined as engine- and transmission-test car, was the widebody version 500 SEC, which itself, apart from the engine change once, got a whole set of modifications. Most remarkably are the flared wings from plastic in front and in the back (widenings from steel sheet are in preparation), and if one already is with describing the blown up body, one may not forget also side skirts, front spoilers, tail spoilers and tail apron. All of this serves to be able to accommodate nine inch rims in front, (tires: 245/45 VR 16) and ten inch rims in the back (265/50 VR 16). The air resistance factor could be held with 0,35 in; altogether the broad version has however more trouble than the basis with produced wind, because the front surface increased by approximately nine per cent. Small comfort for the tuning friend: The rear axle lift was not reduced by less than 93 per cent.
continued...

As found here:
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s- ... ost4411134

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by 48hp » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:28 pm

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by 48hp » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:35 pm

KoenigSpec wrote:I hope it will be 2 X 38K :)
With international attention this manual wide body is receiving, it may just fetch that!

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by Dr.Grillz » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:50 am

Peter72 wrote:The last Gen 1 W126 AMG to sell was this one : http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullcat ... 1&image=12

Obviously a biased comparison point, but even without AMG engine it was estimated 25,000 euros. Sold for 117,000 euros.
That one was an outlier and I bet the price was reflected by the fact that the one and only owner was royalty.

The 32v 5-speed example is a lovely example, the pinnacle of period-AMG excellence. I wouldn't be surprised seeing familiar names bidding on it, its a rare and possibly only chance an example like this will come up for sale.

FWIW, I have an original dealer order form that had an estimate for a 6.0 32v 5-speed SEC for a Japanese customer. Order was being completed in Germany and being shipped to Japan. So a good chance one was built like it, but regarding its current status is anyone's guess.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by Peter72 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:29 am

The last Gen 1 W126 AMG to sell was this one : http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullcat ... 1&image=12

Obviously a biased comparison point, but even without AMG engine it was estimated 25,000 euros. Sold for 117,000 euros.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by AMG5PT4 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:13 pm

The car is No Reserve, so it will sell.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by Trooper6 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:11 pm

Does this belong to anyone we know? This is the first I've seen it, but that does not mean much.

Re: 1985 500SEC Widebody 32V 5-speed - Barrett Jackson Jan 1

by 48hp » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:27 pm

The dohc valve covers evolved over the years addressing oil blow back issues, this was an intermediate solution.

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